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Torpedo Bombers have +750 extra range

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#3,860 opened on 2024年10月19日

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Description

The range of the torpedo as defined in its unitdef seems not to start until the "bomb" phase of the torpedo hits the water. Then it continues from that collision point until it reaches its intended target.

Here is a quote from Rippsy https://discord.com/channels/549281623154229250/1295107209583263785/1297286384461025333 "It takes 50 frames @ 30fps - so 1.66r seconds for a bomb to land in the water after being loosed or there abouts, they hit the water slightly behind the plane, so deduct some for that.

So say about 1.25 x unit.Speed travelled due to ballistics.

The outer pink line is 1500, the inner pink line is 1400; Arm torp bomber drops about half way between the two, giving an effective range of around ~1450, by the time the 3rd torp is dropped its just around 1300range and then you can begin its turn if 100% micro'ed it will just fall inside 1150 and get shot at by an Eradad or Chainsaw if naval ones existed

Tweakunits of the modified Erad / Chain with ranges as reference points: ew0KCWFybWNpciA9IHsNCgkJd2VhcG9uZGVmcyA9IHsNCgkJCWFybV9jaXIgPSB7DQoJCQkJcmFuZ2UgPSAxNTAwLA0KCQkJfSwNCgkJfSwNCgl9LA0KCWNvcmVyYWQgPSB7DQoJCXdlYXBvbmRlZnMgPSB7DQoJCQljb3JfZXJhZCA9IHsNCgkJCQlyYW5nZSA9IDE0MDAsDQoJCQl9LA0KCQl9LA0KCX0sDQp9" image-17

Here is a demonstration of its abuse in game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKwuwdWxSrs

Expected Behaviour

Zecrus approved on 10/19/24 calibrating the behavior until the effective torpedo range is slightly below all sea AA options. He also cautioned this abusable range is a compromise to make the unit consistent and prevent overshooting.

There are some suggested approaches here: https://discord.com/channels/549281623154229250/549282166543089674/1297256712776192115

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Actual Behaviour

See the above

Reproduction steps

Give attack orders to sea units with torpedo Bombers, as soon as they let loose their torpedos turn them away. They will outrange all sea AA options despite their 650 range.

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