[RFC]: Updates for float16/bfloat16 and for dtypes that are lacking full support in libraries
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- Estado de actividad
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- Stack tecnológico
- numpy, python, pytorch
- Área
- data, documentation
Línea de trabajo
Comienza con la página data_types del Array API standard 2025.12 y compara sus definiciones de dtype con las referencias enlazadas de NumPy, PyTorch, JAX, CuPy, MLX, ndonnx, DPCTL y cuTile. Aclara qué documentación necesita actualizarse, reserva los nombres float16 y bfloat16 y documenta la compatibilidad únicamente de almacenamiento o parcial; un cambio terminado debe reflejar con precisión la comparación y abordar las salvedades indicadas.
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Descripción
This issue is meant to provide context for changes to dtype support in the next version of the standard.
Overview of data types implemented in various array libraries:
- Array API standard v2025.12: https://data-apis.org/array-api/2025.12/API_specification/data_types.html
- NumPy: https://numpy.org/devdocs/user/basics.types.html#relationship-between-numpy-data-types-and-c-data-types
- PyTorch: https://docs.pytorch.org/docs/stable/tensor_attributes.html#torch-dtype
- JAX: dtype names in https://docs.jax.dev/en/latest/jax.numpy.html plus
bfloat16in https://docs.jax.dev/en/latest/jax.dtypes.html. See note onfloat64in https://docs.jax.dev/en/latest/default_dtypes.html - CuPy: dtype names in https://docs.cupy.dev/en/stable/reference/comparison.html, plus minimal
bfloat16support (see https://docs.cupy.dev/en/stable/upgrade.html#minimal-support-for-bfloat16) - MLX: https://ml-explore.github.io/mlx/build/html/python/data_types.html
- ndonnx: https://ndonnx.readthedocs.io/en/latest/datatypes/datatypes.html
- DPCTL: https://intelpython.github.io/dpctl/latest/api_reference/dpctl/tensor.data_types.html
- cuTile: https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cutile-python/data.html#data-types
ml_dtypes: https://github.com/jax-ml/ml_dtypes/blob/main/README.md
Summary of dtype support across array libraries
Legend: ✓ = full support, ○ = partial support, ✗ = no support
| dtype | NumPy | PyTorch | JAX | CuPy | MLX | ndonnx | DPCTL | cuTile |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| bool | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| int8 | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| int16 | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| int32 | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| int64 | ✓ | ✓ | ○ [6] | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| uint8 | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| uint16 | ✓ | ○ [1] | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| uint32 | ✓ | ○ [1] | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| uint64 | ✓ | ○ [1] | ○ [6] | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| float32 | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ |
| float64 | ✓ | ✓ | ○ [6] | ✓ | ○ [2] | ✓ | ○ [7] | ✓ |
| complex64 | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✗ | ✓ | ✗ |
| complex128 | ✓ | ✓ | ○ [6] | ✓ | ✗ | ✗ | ○ [7] | ✗ |
| float16 | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✗ | ○ [8] | ✓ |
| bfloat16 | ○ [3] | ✓ | ✓ | ○ [4] | ✓ | ✗ | ✗ | ✓ |
| complex32 | ✗ | ○ [5] | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ |
| bcomplex32 | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ | ✗ |
Notes:
- PyTorch uint16/uint32/uint64 are "shell dtypes" with limited op and backend support; primarily for use with
torch.compile. - MLX float64 only works with CPU operations; using float64 on the GPU raises an exception.
- NumPy bfloat16 support is available via the
ml_dtypespackage, not natively. - CuPy has minimal bfloat16 support via
ml_dtypes.bfloat16; some gaps remain especially incupyx. - PyTorch has
torch.complex32defined, but operator coverage is limited. - JAX 64-bit dtypes require opt-in via
jax.config.update('jax_enable_x64', True)or theJAX_ENABLE_X64env var; disabled by default, and 64-bit values are silently truncated to 32-bit without it. - DPCTL float64/complex128 are device-dependent; only available when the target device's
has_aspect_fp64property is True. - DPCTL float16 is device-dependent; only available when the target device's
has_aspect_fp16property is True.
Conclusions
- Only a few dtypes have no caveats at all:
bool,int8/int16/int32,uint8,float32 - Support for
float64is the biggest issue: very important for scientific computing and other fields that require high accuracy, not available at all or CPU-only on several deep learning-focused libraries - Complex dtype support is generally spotty
float16andbfloat16don't have universal support yet, but are consistently named
Next steps
Open a PR for discussion which brings documentation on data more in line with reality, reserves the float16/bfloat16 names, and says something about dtype support that is storage-only or partial.
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