Appliance disassembly should be significantly harder
#54,519 opened on Jan 17, 2022
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So, I used to work at a fridge recycling business. We'd scrap them, salvaging the refrigerant, copper, motor, steel piping, sheet steel, and insulation foam.
Now, I'm not going to get into what we get out of appliances, that's it's own thing. (motor tiny? For a 10kg compressor? What? Also, no glass or plastic from fridge shelves?) But when it comes to the time it takes, or bashing it down, it's currently way too easy.
At the place I worked, we used both sawzalls, and circular saws with diamond tipped blades, and we'd rip through blades of both of those tools quickly. As in, a single sawzall blade might work for 3-5 fridges, and the disk blade for 15. My employees worked those tools hard, is what I am getting at, doing things as fast as possible, and it'd still take a well practiced team of two about 10 minutes to process a fridge that'd already been gutted, doors removed, motor removed, and all external screws removed. For a new employees, I was happy if they'd average 20-30 minutes per team of two on their first day.
This is not including breaks or downtime, btw, and these were generally shop laborers working this, that is to say, more muscular people.
Given an 8/8/8/8 char with no skills or anything: With a single screwdriver, and pry knife (prying 1), you can disassemble a fridge, on your own, in 20 minutes. With a pipe (level 1 hammering), you can destroy a fridge in 6 minutes. 15 seconds of bashing, a rest, then 15 seconds more. Add another 6 minutes for a second rest if you must.
This is utterly ridiculous.
Solution you would like.
First off, I'm talking about modern-recent appliances here, not old ones. No SO2 or ammonia garbage, no R14/R22 fridges, just R134a and newer. So, like 95/2000 and newer.
I'd say at the very least for dismantling a fridge you'd also need need prying 2, hammering 2, metal_sawing 2, and bolt turning 1, in addition to screw driving 1. Gloves of some sort as well, otherwise you'll cut your hands, but nothing like that is implemented yet. Ideally you could use a cutting torch, for much faster processing. Sheet steel and brackets are a pain. For extra bonus, a wire-brush polisher to even get at some of the internal brackets and bolts that were foamed up. (Otherwise they'd gum up the power tools we used.)
I'd also add something for cutting the copper pipes, like tin snips or metal shears, but that can go under metal_sawing.
Also, on your own, without power tools, without a workbench, it should take a lot longer than 20 minutes, probably closer to an hour, or even three. Probably increase the noise level as well, but I'm not a good judge on that. Sheet metal is loud and vibrates when you start working it off things. You could easily hear the clanging and dismantling noises through the warehouse, with hearing protection, over the sound of a propane forklift and other gross dismantling operations.
Going at it with a pipe is even worse. I do not have an idea how to make that harder, as I don't know how that currently works, behind the scenes. But it shouldn't be doable at all with a pipe. Sure, you'd damage it, but breaking it into components? Not a chance.
Freezers are the same as above, except that their internal construction is usually even more angle iron, sometimes even welded.
Stoves are also pretty difficult, but they don't have as much solid wall construction, which makes them easier. No need for as much prying, or metal cutting in my experience. The bolts are usually tackle able with a socket set, or, baring that, a punch and a hammer.
Microwaves do take about 20 minutes to rip apart, a bit more if you do it safely.
What I'm spotty on:
Dryers and Washers? Those take a while, but I am less experienced there, have only done maintenance and repair on the ones I own.
Dishwashers? The flimsiest of all non-moving modern appliances, yeah, these are about right as they currently stand.
What I've got no knowledge on:
Most other furniture I haven't mentioned.
Describe alternatives you have considered.
Leaving it as is, not wrecking the power curve of early game salvaging.
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